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by ZeroR2 » Fri Sep 27, 2019 2:22 pm

grantmac wrote:I was foiling with a Slingshot Fwind1 at 215# without a worry although it's a very flexible foil.

The NP Glyde is stiffer for sure and should work fine in the large size. What big guys need to worry about is the foil box. That Techno is not likely to be reinforced.


Thanks for the feedback. Any boards that are reinforced (or is that only aftermarket on true windsurf boards) that have min 145 liter that come to mind? I need that size for several reasons (up haul, sharing with son and stability). I know that the 2017/2018 Bic Techno 133/148 can be foiled, but not certain about the reinforcement (prob. not). You are most likely right. Any suggestions for a guy that is 240 lbs (with gear)? I know you are big into foiling.
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by BigD » Fri Sep 27, 2019 3:56 pm

I'm about 220-225 before a wetsuit and harness.

I have the Dialer 145 which I would definitely recommend for you
https://www.slingshotsports.com/Dialer-145-Foil-Board

I was talking to Tony Logoz the Slingshot guy and he was telling me that it's pretty overbuilt. I guess they were scared of stuff breaking initially so overbuilt the earlier Dialer boards. The new boards are lighter so I guess they found that they're not as fragile and don't need all the reinforcement. That and there is no nose to crack!

I have about 15 sessions on mine and have 0 concerns about durability. Super easy to uphaul and with the longer nose I usually just skip off the water even when I foil out at the full 90cm. Rarely have I sunk the nose and gotten launched.

As for wings..
I only tried the 76cm infinity briefly and it was my first time foiling so I sucked. I definitely want to give it a shot again.

I bought the 84cm wing with the larger 48cm rear. It works great in 12-25knot. I also have both the long(regular) fuselage and the shorter SUP fuselage. If you go with the 84cm I would say

42cm rear wing -> long fuselage
48cm rear wing -> short fuselage
See discussion here:
https://www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Foiling/Slingshot-Hover-Glide-Infinity-84-wing-review?page=2

The large rear wing with the long fuselage is stable but difficult to turn.

I'd check out this deal:
https://www.slingshotsports.com/Hover-Glide-FWIND1-Dialer-145-Package

Only the paint job is different from the current mast and fuselage. It all works with the new infinity wings.

Then add:http://www.windance.com/HG-INFINITY-84CM-CARB-F-Wing/44211/

Full setup for $1129+ $529 = $1658usd
Less than most boards even though you will probably never use the older wing.

Or add the 76cm so I can borrow it to test
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by ZeroR2 » Fri Sep 27, 2019 4:37 pm

Thanks. Help me make the right choice. My problem over the years has been time available and waiting for wind. I live 10 min. away from the Indian Arm. I need to just get out after work and sail; no waiting & guessing for the right time. In BC our space is limited and I have 3 members of the family that have outdoor sport needs. We are now just talking about light wind sailing. My original ideas was to pick up a Exocet Link 11'8" WindSup and pair it with a 9.8 Kona Sail. If the wind picks up, I would toss the 11'8" to my wife and she could use it for SUP (I don't SUP). The other option is to get something like a Fanatic Blast HRS 145 liter (foil tuttle box / reinforced). I think that is the largest true windsurf board with reinforced box. The days that the wind really picks up my son could use that board or even me for non-foiling. My garage is already loaded with bikes, kayaks, snowboards.... you get my point. I need to have something that can be shared with another family member. Or is this foolish and just go for a pure foil board? Or just get a long board/windsup with large sail and call it a day?
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by grantmac » Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:14 pm

You can foil on a large board in way more wind than the same board would be comfortable with a fin.

I'd look at one of the big Naish crossovers or the Levatator 160.
The track foil mounting system is the direction that I think the industry is heading for everything except race foils.
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by ZeroR2 » Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:02 pm

grantmac wrote:You can foil on a large board in way more wind than the same board would be comfortable with a fin.

I'd look at one of the big Naish crossovers or the Levatator 160.
The track foil mounting system is the direction that I think the industry is heading for everything except race foils.


The Naish crossover 140 liter (largest) up to 230 lbs (I am heavier) and not really ideal SUP (7'4" & 32"). The Levitator 160 fits the bill but only for foiling; is the better option. It is getting expensive for foiling only. Wife not going to be happy!
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by telus022420 » Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:32 pm

Slingshot Flyer 280 (280L) Paddleboard, Windsurf and Paddle Foil and Windfoil.

https://youtu.be/_Tfuj3aPEfc

OR

A deep tuttle foil hacked to a one-design board. 4 photos.

https://www.facebook.com/ExocetOriginal ... =3&theater
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by ZeroR2 » Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:35 pm

telus022420 wrote:Slingshot Flyer 280 (280L) Paddleboard, Windsurf and Paddle Foil and Windfoil.

https://youtu.be/_Tfuj3aPEfc

OR

A deep tuttle foil hacked to a one-design board. 4 photos.

https://www.facebook.com/ExocetOriginal ... =3&theater


Watched that video 2 nights ago. Don't know about that hack. At 15kg I might just get the Exocet Link 11'8" and do the same hack. I just have the feeling that it wouldn't work well with the length, width and weight. BigD and grantmac suggestion using Slingshot products are the best for only Wind foiling. I do like the Fanatic Blast LTD 145, but at USD 1600 for board only; I might have to be creative and build my own.
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by ZeroR2 » Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:51 pm

BigD wrote:I'm about 220-225 before a wetsuit and harness.

I have the Dialer 145 which I would definitely recommend for you
https://www.slingshotsports.com/Dialer-145-Foil-Board

I was talking to Tony Logoz the Slingshot guy and he was telling me that it's pretty overbuilt. I guess they were scared of stuff breaking initially so overbuilt the earlier Dialer boards. The new boards are lighter so I guess they found that they're not as fragile and don't need all the reinforcement. That and there is no nose to crack!

I have about 15 sessions on mine and have 0 concerns about durability. Super easy to uphaul and with the longer nose I usually just skip off the water even when I foil out at the full 90cm. Rarely have I sunk the nose and gotten launched.

As for wings..
I only tried the 76cm infinity briefly and it was my first time foiling so I sucked. I definitely want to give it a shot again.

I bought the 84cm wing with the larger 48cm rear. It works great in 12-25knot. I also have both the long(regular) fuselage and the shorter SUP fuselage. If you go with the 84cm I would say

42cm rear wing -> long fuselage
48cm rear wing -> short fuselage
See discussion here:
https://www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Foiling/Slingshot-Hover-Glide-Infinity-84-wing-review?page=2

The large rear wing with the long fuselage is stable but difficult to turn.

I'd check out this deal:
https://www.slingshotsports.com/Hover-Glide-FWIND1-Dialer-145-Package

Only the paint job is different from the current mast and fuselage. It all works with the new infinity wings.

Then add:http://www.windance.com/HG-INFINITY-84CM-CARB-F-Wing/44211/

Full setup for $1129+ $529 = $1658usd
Less than most boards even though you will probably never use the older wing.

Or add the 76cm so I can borrow it to test


You think I would be ok with 245 lbs? On BigWinds website it states that the recommended weight up to 170lbs. What kind of sails have you been using and the largest one you think you would use? Very interesting!
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by grantmac » Sat Sep 28, 2019 9:00 am

Longer boards aren't very fun to foil in my experience.
I'm also not a huge fan of foil specific boards.

Realistically if it's windy aren't you going to want to be on the water with your kid rather than taking turns? So perhaps an inexpensive, durable board he can ride in light winds and you can use when it's beyond your foiling range (this will increase with time if you want it). Plus also a board that you can foil and perhaps your wife can SUP.

Keeping in mind that no foil board will be a good flat water SUP.
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by ZeroR2 » Sat Sep 28, 2019 9:41 am

grantmac wrote:Longer boards aren't very fun to foil in my experience.
I'm also not a huge fan of foil specific boards.

Realistically if it's windy aren't you going to want to be on the water with your kid rather than taking turns? So perhaps an inexpensive, durable board he can ride in light winds and you can use when it's beyond your foiling range (this will increase with time if you want it). Plus also a board that you can foil and perhaps your wife can SUP.

Keeping in mind that no foil board will be a good flat water SUP.


Yes, I agree with you. There aren't many windsurfing boards with reinforced tuttle boxes for my size (145 liter +). That is why I mentioned the Fanatic Blast (145l). The only other boards that come to mind is the Falcon Light Wind (159l), Exocet WindSup or Link 10' (175l). Those boards are not a good SUP (ideal = narrow & long to cut thru water). My wife has an inflatable Chinook (275l) 11'6" WindSup with carbon paddle. It is ok in calm water and light wind. I don't think that a foil board (short & wide) is going to make a decent SUP. Even the Exocet isn't ideal at 175 liters. Any specific boards you had in mind? Has anyone actually taken a board like a Slingshot Dialer 145 or foil specific board and used it without foil? Just curious how they ride.
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