Weather Talk For BC no matter what you ride

SE Tuesday

Weather talk and On Site Reports (604)800-2770

by AdrienGrelon » Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:18 pm

Agree with you Michael that there's probably no one-size-fits all approach to the ol' backies. From what I've seen and experienced so far:

- Marginal wave, probably gonna need some rotation off the wave to get the job done.
- Proper wave (where you're not really sure how high you'll go), better to wait till the apex to not over-rotate.

Knowing how much to throw into it before takeoff is obviously only going to come with experience..

This one is awesome: http://www.continentseven.com/backloop-alessio-stillrich-3/

But you, Mike and Dave should just get into Forwards already as those can be consistently done in local conditions, even on a marginal White Rock day in thigh-deep water ;)
AdrienGrelon
 
Posts: 1062
Joined: Mon Dec 09, 2013 3:17 pm

by joeblo » Thu Mar 03, 2016 5:33 pm

Michael your pics one and two are great shots!
joeblo
 
Posts: 94
Joined: Thu Mar 20, 2014 1:17 pm

by C36 » Thu Mar 03, 2016 6:37 pm

C36 wrote:more like what I have heard Levi Siver describe as "initiating the rotation before leaving the wave" (bad)


Michael wrote:Thanks for the tips Dave. I'm not sure if its all that bad when working with small waves. These freestylers are doing them in similar conditions to what we see at Centennial.
They all seem to be initiating the rotation on the wave, some more than others.

http://www.continentseven.com/backloop-dieter-van-der-eyken/

This clew first one is sick!!
http://www.continentseven.com/backloop-clew-first-kiri-thode-2/

http://www.continentseven.com/backloop-antoine-albert/

This one is most impressive with more of a big wave style but he's super fast!
http://www.continentseven.com/backloop-jose-‘gollito’-estredo/


Something seems to have been lost in the translation. I think we are saying the same thing (although it doesn't seem like that's what you heard). The lower the height the earlier the rotation will have to start. I have reorder the examples you posted from lowest to highest and if you go back and re-watch them I think the pattern holds. And in all cases the rider is getting the board VERICAL.

http://www.continentseven.com/backloop-clew-first-kiri-thode-2/
backloop 2.jpg
backloop 2.jpg (147.9 KiB) Viewed 6730 times


http://www.continentseven.com/backloop-dieter-van-der-eyken/
backloop 1.jpg
backloop 1.jpg (181.75 KiB) Viewed 6730 times


http://www.continentseven.com/backloop-antoine-albert/
backloop 3.jpg
backloop 3.jpg (215.48 KiB) Viewed 6730 times


http://www.continentseven.com/backloop-jose-‘gollito’-estredo/
backloop 4.jpg
backloop 4.jpg (116.6 KiB) Viewed 6730 times


The issue with most people learning is they are not as skilled as these pro freestylers and they start a fast rotation, kill their height, and kill the opportunity to get the board vertical. This results in a round, low, flat 'frying pan' rotation - I know what these feel like because I have done hundreds of them. Just trying to help someone avoid pitfalls I travelled through.

Watch this one and list to what Scott says and the two examples they show from 0:45-1:00. Does the rider start and maintain their rotation through the low 'lolly-pop' example? Yup. But they still get the board vertical and gain height too.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIYkIhsgzFE[/youtube]

Hope that is clearer than the first time. In the end everyone has their own way of learning.

AdrienGrelon wrote:Agree with you Michael that there's probably no one-size-fits all approach to the ol' backies. From what I've seen and experienced so far:

- Marginal wave, probably gonna need some rotation off the wave to get the job done.
- Proper wave (where you're not really sure how high you'll go), better to wait till the apex to not over-rotate.

Knowing how much to throw into it before takeoff is obviously only going to come with experience..

This one is awesome: http://www.continentseven.com/backloop-alessio-stillrich-3/

But you, Mike and Dave should just get into Forwards already as those can be consistently done in local conditions, even on a marginal White Rock day in thigh-deep water ;)


Again, I think we are saying the same thing (it just might not have come across that way). As for forwards, I admire those can pull them off cleanly and consistently, but I really don't enjoy practicing them, so have really not been trying them for a while now. Next day with clean head on modest waves I likely try again. If not, all good.
Last edited by C36 on Thu Mar 03, 2016 8:09 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
C36
 
Posts: 2191
Joined: Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:17 pm

by Chris Klohn » Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:48 pm

I hear you Dave..............there really isn't such a thing as "practicing" forwards. You either commit or you don't. If you do commit in the type of local conditions we get there's a 99.99% chance that you'll fully rotate into the water start position with the sail still flying. Landing them planing does take a little more experience for sure. If you don't commit there's a long list of what can happen, none of them particularly pleasant unfortunately.

I damn near beat myself and gear to death in my early twenties with half assed forward attempts until I finally said eff' it one day and pulled the boom into my chest on a broad reach at warp speed. I ended up fully rotating to waterstart position with the sail still flying on the first real attempt. I was super stoked but kind of mad at the same time there wasn't any special skills involved. I swear forwards in small conditions are 100% mental.

Backies on the other hand, IMHO, are way more graceful and take way more skill to pull off clean. The ramp size, rotation speed and technique are much harder to learn. They are also so much more fun to me as your brain isn't scrambled on the end of the wheel of destruction. You can actually look around at the apex and pick your landing versus water, sky, water, smack in 0.3 seconds when your doing a speed loop.

I find now in my forties the big floaty jumps, backies and the occasional forward off a perfect ramp are more than enough in my aerial bag of tricks to keep me grinning from ear to ear. I'm enjoying and appreciating riding waves occasionally in DTL conditions far more now than I ever did 25 years ago when I started. I love the Continent 7 videos AG, Mike and Tony always post but my poor brain can't even figure out where to start on those spinning things :D
Chris Klohn
 
Posts: 1148
Joined: Fri Nov 01, 2013 1:49 am

by C36 » Thu Mar 03, 2016 8:27 pm

:lol: Thanks for posting Chris. I quit enjoyed reading that - both backs and forwards! :D It's that "wheel of destruction" affect with forwards I'm not too keen on. :evil: :oops:
User avatar
C36
 
Posts: 2191
Joined: Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:17 pm

Previous

Return to Weather Talk and OSR